Friday, July 07, 2006

A copy of the manuscript Futuh al-Habasha by Shahab al-Din Ahmed b. Abdul Qadir "Arab Faqih." I copied it in the Asad Library in Damascus, Syria.
According to the Silti tribe and the Shareef's descendents, the manuscript mentions Hajji Aliyye who is buried in the mountains of Silte, Ethiopia. If there was any basis to this claim, the person would be a man mentioned as "Shareef Ali b. Umar al-Hasani." However, recent investigations has led me to question this Silti claim as well as the historical setting of Hajji Aliyye's migration. He most likely migrated to Silte lands with his own military movement years after the conquest of Ahmed Gran.








13 Comments:

Anonymous mohand1978 said...

Salam
you have participated to the discussion "descendants of the prophet" I would like to announce to you that the project concerning sharifs and syeds is open

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/sharifs/

4:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mohamed el bokhari
i can help please contact at
www.aladdarssah.com
محمد البوخاري
طبعا انتم ادارسة
ما دام الذي بين ايديكم يشير الى هذا
ثم لايحق لك تصحيح النسب فما ورد من اسماء صحيح مثل ادريس بن عمر بن ادريس لكن هناك خلل ونقص
يجب ان نبحث عنه ونجده
اخوك محمد البوخاري

6:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

كتبت هناك اجابات قد تجد فيها النفع
محمد البوخاري الادريسي

6:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

في سبق وحصري وخاص جدا
دققت نسبكم وعرفت به
فانتم ادارسة من بني عمر بن ادريس احفاذ المحدث الحافظ عبد العزيز
ارجو قبوله وتقبله من الله تعالى اولا
ومنكم وما ابتغي غير رضى الله تعالى و
حبكم والتعرف عليكم بني عمومتي الادارسة
محمد البوخاري الادريسي

2:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

هل وصلتكم المعلومة ولست ادري كيف استطيع توصيلها لكم غير هذا

2:26 AM  
Blogger freeman said...

“According to the Silti tribe and the Shareef's descendents, the manuscript mentions Hajji Aliyye who is buried in the mountains of Silte, Ethiopia. If there was any basis to this claim, the person would be a man mentioned as "Shareef Ali b. Umar al-Hasani." However, recent investigations has led me to question this Silti claim as well as the historical setting of Hajji Aliyye's migration. He most likely migrated to Silte lands with his own military movement years after the conquest of Ahmed Gran.”

“I am very skeptical of Muslim tribes and families who claim descent from Ali b. Abi Talib without family trees that have been stamped by geneaology offices (from the Ottoman era, etc).
However, siyaada in Yemen is difficult to research because Yemeni Hashimi families seemed to have kept many family trees and lineages a private heirloom instead of instituting a nationwide Naqeeb or office that could keep records.”

I belong to Siltie tribe; I have known my parents and relatives spoke about Haji Aliye who gave a son whom he named Gun Siltie hence the name Siltie. I was a little distracted reading the story the way it was written, it could have been divided and under title and sub-title for the story to be readable. I must admire your tenacity to find out the branch of Ashraf to whom Haji Aliye belongs, that claim found to be true, it would make your discovery one of the most important discovery I have known as far as my tribe is concern. The top two paragraphs indeed saw doubt in my heart, that is not to say break in the lineage could not be connected.

3:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Iam a member ofthe hassan koweyni clan living in kenya and would like to inform you that hajji alliye's father is buried at kenyan/ethiopia/somali border near belet hawa of somalia while hassan koweyn was killed by one of the hawiye tribes known as garri asub clan of karanle who are currently settled at imi of the somali region of ethiopia. haji ali had abrother farah b.sa'd whose descendant are settled in the lower shebelle of somalia . the pop. is about 100000 people.our parents used to tell us that farah brother'S had disappaered into ethiopia without trace and has never been of heard of since about thirteen generations ago my approximmation about four hundred years ago.sai'd's mother came from the gare tribe of the tuff sub clan currently settled at elwak of kenya.the majority of the sai'd descendants todate live amongst the gare of somalia particulary in southern somalia and afew of us live in kenya in mandera ditrict. i say that am so happy to know that at last that ali sai'd descendants did exist and am looking forward to the day we shall meet and embrace each as brothers and sister.Besides the gruop in somalia another two are settled at ferfer somali region and the bale region around GINIRand goba woreda .this gruop lives amongst the gurre damole of the oromo region of ethiopia.

11:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the somali shareefs are many in somali country and hassan koweyni clan is one of them.they are wide spread in the whole of north eastren africa:from sudan all the way to the somali coast.they are religious people and would be called by various clans to provide religious teachings and they would settle among them [people who asked for teachings] its because of their love for spreading the islamic faith that they are found in urban centres in the horn of africa.Am therefore not suprised that ALI IBN SA"ID IBN HASSAN KOWEYNI finally settled in the ethiopia highlands.The mllion dollar question is;how did he settle in southern ethiopia? there two possible routes 1.all young shariffs used to travel to Harar to seek more islamic knowledge after they graduated from the quranic schools.Harar was the centre of islamic studies and it was a meeting place for islamic scholars from the horn of africa,its possible that he could have led a muslim army into southern ethiopia.2.Haji ali could have left the gedo region of somalia where his father is currently buried and travelled to southern ethiopia highlands .this movement of somali tribesmen moving with their livestock up the highlands during the dry season and moving down to the lowlands during the wet season is conmmon feature to this day.its therefore possible that he may have originated from s/west somalia and could have met and associated with other muslims from harar region in south ethiopia.its said that the koweyni clan forefathers came from south yemen in tarime.according to the family tree inherited from our forefathers indicated that we were the descendents of hussein ibn syedina ali.Hussein is the grandson of the prophet mohamed.so hassan koweyni'S father came from yemen to somali country and married a local girl that gave birth to hassankoweyni who again had three sons noor, sai"d and mumin.the descendantsof the three sons are scattered in somalia, ethiopia and kenya. in somalia they can be found in qooryoley in the lower shebelle .the majority of these people are pastoralist and a few farmers.the other in ethiopia are in the ogaden region in particular ferfer district along the ethio/somali border.the third group live in the oromo region around ginir and goba areas

10:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the only way the descent of the silte people can be known is to conduct DNA test on them and the somali shariffs particularly the hassan kaweyni clan otherwise hajji ali could as well be any other person from harar.

10:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the only way the descent of the silte people can be known is to conduct DNA test on them and the somali shariffs particularly the hassan kaweyni clan otherwise hajji ali could as well be any other person from harar.

10:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The hassan kaweyne family are wide spread in the horn of africa particularly in somalia and ethiopia.sheikh hassan descedants live in lasqorey in puntland they are refered to as abdirahman hassan kaweyne another family lives at zeylac and are refered to as abdullahi hassan kaweyne.These two families are the oldest amongst the sheikhs children.

3:02 AM  
Blogger safa.m.sharif said...

Do you have any information of Al-Nadiri of Ba-Alawis?

4:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the majority of descendents of sheikh hassan will be not more than thirteen generations on the malesideas at now.if you areclaiming this lineage and you more thirteen generations its possible that you may be from different lineage.

11:07 PM  

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